It has been said that actions speak louder than words. If that’s true, Polaris needs to stop with the “bullish” lip-service and either pay some serious attention to its Victory brand or put all its eggs in Indian’s basket.
As it currently stands, having two lines of heavyweight motorcycles – Indian and Victory – is redundant. Indians are selling well, while Victorys are collecting dust on showroom floors – and it’s easy to understand why.
Before getting into detail, perhaps it’s appropriate to recall Victory’s short history. Polaris started Victory to take on Harley-Davidson, a company that had 95-year head start. Victory began selling bikes in 1998, touting them over the years as “The New American Motorcycle.”
The promo line was designed to reach into the minds and wallets of Harley owners, who flock to “Made in the U.S.” labels. Despite building what were arguably the best-made, highest-quality bikes on the planet, Harley owners didn’t flock to Victory. Harley’s iconic name and unmatched owner loyalty prevailed.
As attractive – especially when the Vegas and Kingpin models came into being – and reliable as Victory motorcycles were, they just didn’t have the Harley-Davidson name.
It wasn’t until Polaris acquired the Indian name in 2011 and began producing new Indian models in 2013 that Harley owners began to take notice.
Unlike with Victory, the Indian brand dates back to 1901, two years before Harley-Davidson began. Yes, Indian went bankrupt in 1953, and several earlier attempts to relaunch the brand failed, but the aura of the name endured. Polaris wisely knew this and had the deep pockets necessary to pull off a successful revival.
Which brings us back to today. Indian is hot. Victory is not.
Results of a Baird/Dealernews survey unveiled earlier this month show Victory dealers believe the brand to be stale and lineup lacking when it comes to entry-level models. “Victory is obviously playing second fiddle to Indian whether anyone wants to admit it or not,” said one dealer. Another said, “Victory sales are dead” and reported making “more money selling Indian T-shirts than selling Victory bikes.”
Think Victory has a problem? You bet it does.
For 2014, Victory offered 15 models – all powered by an identical 106 cubic inch V-Twin engine. For 2015, Victory is listing four cruisers (Hammer 8-Ball, High-Ball, Gunner and Vegas 8-Ball), two tourers (Cross Country Tour and Vision Tour), and three baggers (Magnum, Cross Country and Cross Country 8-Ball), and all having that same powerplant.
The Magnum is a premium bagger with an MSRP of $21,999. Here’s my question: If someone’s going to spend that much, why not buy an Indian?
Victory dealers suspect Polaris took its eye off of Victory while ramping up Indian. Looking at some of the new Victory models in recent years – the Judge and the Gunner – and it’s apparent that Victory has been doing what Harley-Davidson has been accused of doing for years – diving into a bin and mixing and matching parts to come up with new models that really aren’t all that new.
Polaris Chief Operating Officer Bennett Morgan was quoted in Dealernews last week as acknowledging, “We haven’t been able to give the brand as much news in the short term.” However, Morgan maintained, “We still remain very bullish on Victory.”
If that is indeed the case, swift action is mandated. It is apparent that Victory is at a crossroads, and needs to be rebooted in a dramatic fashion. Indian has claimed the traditional and upscale cruiser/bagger niche within Polaris. So what’s left for Victory? There’s the “affordable” niche. There’s the “sporty” niche. And there’s the “dramatically different” niche.
Existing models like the Vision Tour and the long-standing Vegas and Hammer models (now available only in 8-Ball configuration) already qualify. While the Vegas and Hammer are due to makeovers after 12 and 10 years, respectively, they warrant keeping because of name recognition.
What’s really needed, though, are new models that appeal to new riders and those not into heavy cruisers, such as an entry bike in the 300cc range and a mid-sized model in 700 cc to 1,000 cc range. Why not a sport bike or adventurer. There’s no substantive American brand producing sport bikes (EBR being a boutique) or adventure bikes. Victory was launched as being an alternative. Why not expand that theme into other areas?
Whatever the case, Victory needs to reinvent itself immediately; stake out some different territory while not abandoning its core; and actually be “bullish.” It doesn’t have the time the Polaris gave Indian to “get it right.” It needed resuscitation yesterday.
I have owned 30 Japanese bikes. I could never find one that I could live with.
I have a 2013 Cross Country Tour and even though I think the 106 is a very crude and noisy motor I could never go back to a Japanese bike. The Vic handling is nothing short of amazing for a big heavy bike. The Suspension is the best I have ever experienced on a big bike. The aluminium frame is very ridged.
There is a lot to like when it comes to Victory.
I do agree with this article. Victory get off your lazy ass and refine the 106.
Bring out some new models not just stupid paint schemes.
Unleash the guy that built the Vision because the rest of your team are lost leaders…. Wake up…
You can compare a Harley To an Indian. And bike for bike the Indian wins hands down. Now the victory is a whole new animal. A modern version of what Harley or Indian should have evolved into and never did. Just take one for a ride. I did and was hooked. And for the Harley riders who say their bike is the epitome of what being a biker is all about. Look what the founder of HA rides.
i have owned many makes over the years, I just purchased a 2014 jackpot, and I can honestly say, hands down it is the best bike I have ever ridden, much less owned! I have ridden many different HD models over the past 30 yrs and it is with an unbiased opinion that I can say that they can’t hold a candle to Victorys quality, performance , comfort and style! I can’t believe it took me so long to take notice of such a wonderful line of American built bikes. Thanks so much Victory for a job well done!
I bought my Cross Country in 2010. This bike is amazing. If Victory were to go away. I would probably buy a Harley. The Indians look old and don’t have the fine flowing lines of the Victory. I hope Polaris realizes that they are headed in the right direction with Victory. Indian just looks to be old school reinvented. Dare to be different. I did and that is why I am riding a Victory. I didn’t want to have another Harley sitting in the parking lot at work. I am very happy with my choice of bike and so is my wife.
I rode the first generation back in 02 but did not take it. I bought an 03 Vegas and then rode to the 50th anniversary of Polaris. The TC’s were so popular, I bought one when I came home. I then went to Sturgis the same year to see and be seen riding a Victory. I later bought a Cruiser Classic when I realized Victory was going to build more Vision models. When asked about smaller bikes my then girlfriend was told “we heard you”. An 800 or so would be great as an dual sport. Too bad their partnership with KTM failed.
i came to Victory in 2012, buying a CroaasRoads. I love this bike and the longer I have it, the more I enjoy it. I like the Indian, but I fear its a bit cramped for long distance riding. I can stretch out on the Victory and it just feels much better on the Indian. I do like the looks of the Indian though.
I Love my Victory Boardwalk, and at a 12-13k price range, in my opinion was a great buy, but on the down side, it was only produced for two years before Polaris pulled the plug on it, which means aftermarket parts and accessories are very limited. That being said, I would certainly not hesitate to buy another Victory over Indian or Harley. I do think Polaris has deep enough pockets to keep both the Victory and Indian brands going, but it would be nice to see Polaris step it up a couple notches with the Victorys!
While Polaris did a fantastic job and turned out a great lineup with Indian I have no desire to let go of either one of my Victorys. To me they handle better and are more comfortable than an Indian or a Harley. I have ridden or owned both. The experience on a Vic is different and more my personal preference. I would love to see Polaris breath new life into the brand by updating the X urgent models and developing a new take on an entry level, sport or dual-sport. Even better, how about all three. The Eastern MC companies have been successful with a broad lineup for decades.
I am new to riding. bought my first bike in 2006. I have owned 3 Victorys so far lost one in a flood a 2004 Vegas.Totaled my 2008 Vision and currently own a 2006 Kingpin.All of which are great bikes.The Vision is by far the cream of the crop in Victory’s line up.I have gone to a few demo days for both Indian and Victory and I like the Victory motorcycles alot better all the way around. Indian is a nice machine but if Polaris would have put the attention to detail in the little things like they did with Indian I believe there would have been no need for them to bring Indian in.When I am ready and hopefully they still have it in thier line up I plan on replacing the Vision I lost. I did want a Roadmaster but after riding it my opinion is the Vision is a better motorcycle.All that is needed is more saddle bag storage and the bike would be perfect.Thank you for your time.
Long Live Victory…
I rode one now I own one! Love my Hammer! Love Victory over all others, and have two buddy that got off the HD bandwagon this year too!
I don’t see the Indian and Victory lines being redundant. All you have to do is look at the design cues on the bikes to see that they cater to 2 separate types of riders, Indian being the traditionalists, and Victory being geared to the modernists. Of course, being that both lines are being produced in the same factory would dictate some hair splitting until they can get up to full manufacturing capacity. I have owned Victory for several years, and don’t get me wrong as I’ve ridden and love the new Indian, but I would at this point not trade my Vic for the Indian. The outright power and handling of my Vic can’t be touched by the Indian for the type of riding I do. I’m sure there is enough of an audience for both brands. The fresh, modern styling of the Victory is the reason I was steered away from Harley Davidson 5 years ago and the same reason I would stick with Victory over the Indian at this point. I’m sure a LOT of other Vic riders feel the same way….
Victory Motorcycles have their “own cult following.” Many of the riders of Victory Motorcycles are riding happy. For many of them they are riding on their 2nd Victory. I think the Corporate Leadership is losing the war in the trenches with the dealerships that represent the brand. Corporate needs to listen to the dealerships when they bring their customer’s warranty issue to them. A flat out denial of a claim can turn a customer base away. As far as the Indian Motorcycle just taking over. Why would someone invest $20,000 plus dollars to buy a motorcycle in which there are very few dealerships to service them. Right now the Baby Boomers are taking their motorcycles on vacation with them, most even riding them. Motorcycles will need servicing, and if being out on the road with no dealerships in sight, maybe they can get the already existing dealerships that sell Victory Motorcycles to service them.
Having ridden H-D since 1975. I bought a 2012 Cross Country in 2012. I traded a 2007 H-D FLHT in on the CC. And find the CC to be every bit as good if not better than any H=D I ever owned and still own a 1983 FLHS. I have done 2 demo rides on the new Indians and find them to be a very nice MC but I still prefer my 2012 CC to the Indian. Two reasons being leg room is better on the CC and I believe my CC has better performance and handling than the Indians I tested. I tested both Chieftain & Roadmaster models and liked both but still prefer my CC.
I love the look of the new Polaris Indian… very “old school”… However, it is not for me…. So I bought a XCT, and I couldn’t love this bike any more than I do !!! I only had room in the garage for (2) bikes, so the H-D Ultra had to go, and I kept the Vic XCT and the Honda F6B…
I do agree that Polaris needs to get off it’s solo love affair with the Indian line, and put some love back into the Vic line though… I dislike feeling like a bastard step-child….
Not a hater at all. In fact, I’m a great admirer of the Victory brand. Proof that I’m not a hater can be found in my review of the 2011 Cross Roads.
You sir have obviously have not been owned by a Victory.
Your article makes you seem as if you are just another hater.
While HD is coming out with a cheap Street 750 and Street 500
Victory & Indian will continue with making the best American made bike out there!
As a Victory owner I both agree and disagree. I am disappointed with the lack of progress/change in the last few years and that is obviously due to putting the design and development teams into relaunching Indian. That being said the bagger line for Victory are still selling very well. I personally don’t like the look of the Indian and will be buying a Victory Cross Country for my next bike. I fully expect that this design and development teams are working on refreshing the Victory brand as we speak.
I purchased My 2013 Victory Vision in June of this year, and I couldn’t be happier with my decision. I was looking for a reliable touring bike and Harley just didn’t fit the bill. The pricing of victory and equipment included was fantastic. Along with all of that I got an additional discount because I was a veteran. you can’t get more American than that. I hope to see more coming from Victory, as the brand has a very loyal following, who are becoming a cult following of their own.
love my Cross Country……Victory will not go away any time soon I hope
Love my Victory Cross Country, rode a Chieftain and it’s a nice bike but not the bike my Cross Country is. Not everyone wants Retro, some of us like a modern design with 4 bvalve heads, overhead cams, horsepower and legroom for us 6+ footers!
You asked the question — If someone’s going to spend that much, why not buy an Indian? — I took the Indian Classic out and I didn’t feel the adrenaline rush I feel with the Victory. Yeah it rode really nice and the balance was great… but I was very bored!! I feel the Victory is for the updated rider and the Indian has that “very old school!!” feel. The Victory has a lot of speed and reliability without the need to add any aftermarket parts. As they advertise – “Ride One and You’ll Own One”